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Church and State

Martin Marty's column in yesterday's Sightings raises an important historical framework for much contemporary conversation about faith and public life. Noting a book published by James Hutson entitled The Founders on Religion: A Book of Quotations, Marty presents three distinct points of view about the founding father's perspectives on religion and its relationship to the state.

First, Marty points to John Jay. Jay was a signer of the Declaration of Independence and later went on to serve as the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Jay had strong convictions about a Christian presence in government. "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Jay worked with a strong anti-Catholic bias in the formation of a New York constitution and though clearly affirmed Christian principles it was his version of those Christian principles that were to be in play. As Marty notes, "He wanted uniformity in faith."

Second, Thomas Jefferson offers another perspective. Working out of deist perspective, Jefferson called for the simply (I would say, simplistic) pursuit of truth. Further, as Jefferson stated to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1801, Jefferson, laid down the notion of the separation of church and state, rooted in his conviction that religion was something between God and the individual.

Third, James Madison presents a third alternative. As Marty states, Madison greatly influenced the shape of the Constitution. Madison was not particularly orthodox in his Christian perspectives, but certainly understood the limits that Christian faith had had on shaping societies throughout history. He would write, "What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."

Marty leaves open the possibilities. Which view do we favor?

Whatever course we take as citizens, a deeper reality suggests that as Christians we must resist the temptation to think that governments can be fully Christian. As Saul warned ancient Israel as they desired to have a king, close alignment with God's kingdom and the kingdoms of the world is that our allegiance to God's kingdom always loses.

Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 at 01:58PM by Registered CommenterCarson Reed in | Comments2 Comments

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This is interesting in light of the spam-mail I just received--an invitation to joint the "Ten Commandments Commission" and make an "unparalleled display of support for the Judeo-Christian values and principles so vital to America's continued blessings from God."

What a motivation! We'd better display the ten commandments (including ordering my 10 Commandments lapel pin from the Ten Commandments Commission)if we want to remain a rich, materialistic nation. Granted, material blessings aren't the only ones that Americans have received from God--but has America been singled out to receive those blessings? How would that make the rest of the world feel about God? What happened to Acts 10:34-35?
November 2, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony
It's funny how those that accuse others of revisionist history end up ignoring evidence that doesn't support their position (not much different from "strict constructionist" supreme court myths today). So it turns out that the revisionists are those that take an idealized view of the founding fathers.

I can't remember if I've mentioned it here before, but I still find it interesting that when Christianity was being embraced by Constantine, many Christians fled to the desert (the origins of Christian monasticism). Not everyone sees the marriage of church and government as a mighty fine thing.

Thanks for pointing out Dr. Marty's article Carson.
November 2, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterRobert Brady

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